If you have a simple question, you can ask your smartphone and get 20 relevant answers. But what happens when your questions arenât so simple? Sometimes you want more than a quick answerâyou want knowledge, a nuanced, intelligent discussion of a complex topic with people you can trust. Ideally, over a good beer.
This was the inspiration for Atlantic BTâs new teaching series: Thirst for Knowledge. Every month, Atlantic BT will host a casual seminar and discussion on essential topics and best practices for companies in the digital age. Each Thirst for Knowledge will include a short lightning talk from a local expert, followed by free food from our favorite food trucks and craft beer from our taps. As CMO Eileen Allen said:
âOne of my favorite things about Atlantic BT is how we understand the human side of using technology. If people donât understand how to actually use the tech they have, even the best platform in the world wonât do them much good. Iâm excited to see how our Thirst for Knowledge events can bring people together to freely share what weâve learned. This is community-building at its finest.â
The topic for our inaugural Thirst for Knowledge on August 24 is the human side of cybersecurity, entitled How to Secure Your Workforce without Ruining Their Lives. ABTâs Senior Business Strategist and Research Manager Randy Earl will lead a casual discussion of how to promote best practices in digital security without hurting the morale or agility of an organization. Earl emphasizes that this will be a laid-back lesson rather than a dry technical presentation:
âWeâll cover topics like two-factor authentication made easy and promoting mobile device security, but I want this talk to be as fun and entertaining as possible. Expect lots of memes and XKCD comics. I want this event to give our clients and contacts a worthwhile and enjoyable reason to leave work a bit early on a Thursday.â
A culture of collaboration is everything. Moreover, that applies to more than just different departmentsâwhen it comes to projects with our clients, it’s essential that these clients collaborate closely with us in developing their solutions.
Over the past 19 years, we’ve found the following characteristics to be strong indicators of clients who will collaborate well with Atlantic BT to create highly successful projects and healthy partnerships. This is by no means a list of requirements to hire ABT, but your organization will work best with us if:
You want to be an engaged part of the process.
To collaborate, you must engage.
We are experts in digital solutions, but you are the experts in your business. That means we need to work closely with you to leverage your expertise for maximum effect.
You understand and appreciate team efforts.
You can’t collaborate without trusting your team.
We find the collaboration of many minds across disciplines to be the most effective path. As a result, we make teamwork part of the processâfrom workshops in discovery all the way through to deployment.
You appreciate an analytical, data-driven approach to developing strategy.
We love data, and it powers our best projects.
We always want to know what your business reality is, rather than making an assumption. This can be challenging, as it sometimes forces a re-examination of existing practices and policies, therefore, the next point is important…
You are open to change.
If you’re open to change, you are ready to collaborate.
To be truly innovative, we have to challenge existing assumptions and practices. While change can be uncomfortable, it is better to drive data-driven change than passively react to market changes later.
You have a continuous process improvement mindset.
To collaborate best, you need to have a plan for continual improvement.
In todayâs web environment and competitive marketplace, the only fixed truths are that change is constant and competition is fierce. A one-and-done approach will lead to a solution that could quickly become dated and ineffective. Instead, our most successful clients are constantly monitoring their key metrics, looking for opportunities, then leveraging new solutions for the opportunities they find. That done, the cycle repeats anew.
Like what you hear? Let’s work together.
When you watch our team in workshops, whiteboard sessions, and presentations, you can see all of the above in action. We are most excited by digging into understanding customer needs and providing innovative solutions. If you approach your project and your organization the same way, then weâre eager to get started on our partnership.
To get a closer look at some of our recent work, take a look at our collaboration on the official NC.gov website and the site redesign and rebrand for Campbell University. In addition, you can also experience our culture in action by joining us at our next Thirsty Thursday party on August 24. It’s a great way to meet our people, and enjoy good food and drink while talking shop.
When you hear the phrase âCulture Clubâ, you likely think of Do You Really Want to Hurt Me? or Karma Chameleon. At ABT, the Culture Club is a group of employees who have a monthly budget to plan and implement fun events for everyone. We at ABT follow a âWork Hard, Play Hardâ mentality, and the Culture Club supports the latter. As president of the Culture Club, Iâm lucky (and proud) to have helped the team organize company events for years. Our events range from our Pumpkinâ Chunkinâ at Halloween, to old-school egg drops, to team trivia, and to one of our favorites: the ABT Olympics.
What Are These Olympics All About?
On May 19th, we held our 7th Annual ABT Olympicsâ essentially a two hour field day for adults. The Culture Club decides on a number of games, sets the rules, assigns random teams, and our company competes for bragging rights and a custom trophy. Â Thereâs plenty of fun debate over rules minutia, usually some shenanigans for the referees to have to sort out, and an entertaining combination of heated competition and whimsey. We always color-code our teams, and have some wearable object (t-shirt, wristband, etc.) to identify teams. For the second year in a row, we have used superhero capes. I cannot express the glee I have watching 50+ people in superhero capes playing team games!
What We Played This Year
Each year there is a mix of new and previous events. Teams can earn bronze, silver, or gold in each event. In 2017, this was the line-up:
Water Balloon Toss: Pretty much what you would expect. Teams of two throw a water balloon back and forth, getting farther apart from each other on every tossâas long as the balloon doesnât break.
Rock/Paper/Scissors: A recent addition and favorite, a small-bracket tournament with fast-paced, head-to-head, hand-symbol domination.
Ladderball: We try and have a few games where everybody plays. Each person on a team has one throw, and the team with the highest total score wins. Simple concept, but not easy.
Sanskrit Scramble: An new ABT original. Â We wanted a game incorporating a puzzle somehow. Â Culture Club members created a two-person game where one person could see a set of sanskrit symbols, and had to relay the right symbols to their teammate who put tiles on a solution board.
Flip Cup: Another company âeveryone playsâ favorite. Itâs a bracket tournament of standard flip cup. (Beer or nonalcoholic beverages allowed).
Final Relay: Â A series of small events lined up in a relay to determine the overall winner of the Olympics. Teams that earned more medals in earlier events got a head start. The team flag is used as the âbatonâ that players pass as they complete part of the relay. Â
2017 Olympics Highlights
As the ABT Olympics Emcee and assistant ref, I get a pretty good view of the events. As happens every year, we have a few highlights that stood out this year.
For the water balloon toss, each team has two pairs tossing balloons. Team Black (Black Beard Blazers) were both the best costumed, as pirates, and both pairs of athletes survived to the end securing their bragging rights for the event.
In Rock/Paper/Scissors, veteran Hap Wiggins of Team Purple (Eggplants) and recent hire Brian Smith of Team Green (Cash Me Outside) tore through the early rounds. They each dominated their first round and semi-final opponents. In the finals, however, Hap lost whatever psychological advantage he had built up, and Brian Smith came out victorious.
In Sanskrit Scramble, we had a slight referee snafu. (Happens most years, but we do our best to avoid these!) Â We had one ref for each of the six teams, but unfortunately our answer sheets showed us only 10 of the 12 symbols in the solution. We had to resolve mid-event, but weâre confident that the teams that won medals did so legitimately. Team Red (Red Bull Alliance) was one of two teams ending up with a DNF claiming referee shenanigans. Their appeal was denied. This type of chaos is just part of the fun!
Thanks to Andrew Bartlett for shooting video and putting together this incredible highlights reel:
Looking Forward to 2018
After every Culture Club event, we gather feedback from the company so we can learn and improve for next year. The response was very positive again for the Olympics, and some great ideas for changes or new games were included. Now my only struggle is waiting another 12 months before we get to do it again!
I want this blog post to go out to all the talented folks in Raleigh who are looking for a job at a place that gets them. A place that understands what it takes to be productive in todayâs workforce. A place that says, âYes, itâs not just OK to play foosball at workâitâs encouraged.â After reading this post, I hope youâll agree with meâthat place is Atlantic BT.
The author (right) and his brother compete in a foos-focused outreach event at ABT.
Give Your Old Breaks a Break
Letâs start off with what happens at other places. Take my first job at a labor union. We had two break rooms, each consisting of a table or two, some chairs, a microwave, and a TV. Our lunchtime release was the last half of âThe Young and the Restlessâ and then all of âThe Bold and the Beautifulâ because âThe Bold and the Beautifulâ was only a half-hour soap. (Shout-out to Steffy and Hope.) Thatâs not bad. It wasnât good, either, and you better not get caught watching that TV during non-lunch hours. The labor union was great to us as workers and they were very adamant about breaks, but they only wanted those breaks to happen according to a schedule. It was like they were brokering with themselves for better workersâ rights but didnât quite know how to be both sides of that deal.
Then I worked at a copywriting agency. This is where things got tricky because our boss wanted us to have the ultimate flexibility to work anytime, anywhere ⊠as long as wewere working all the time, everywhere. You were supposed to be in charge of your own day, and in his mind, that meant we were in charge of our own breaks ⊠and somehow, since we were in charge of our own breaks, we shouldnât have to take any. There wasnât anywhere to take a break anyways. Our break room consisted of a microwave-sized alley off our common area that featured a file cabinet full of writing samples that was nine times bigger than a microwave. It was cramped (especially considering there was actually a microwave in there, too).
Whatâs happening here? Well, in my experience, managers know they have to let us take breaks or weâll pop/burn out/quit. But theyâre deathly afraid that breaks will turn into lost productivity, lost cash, and lost respect toward the management team. Just look at what Bob Fox of FOX Architects has to say about it in a 2011 post he wrote about foosball for the online publication he founded, Work Design Magazine. He bought his employees a foosball table because he wanted to reward them for being hard workers, but right afterward, âthe concerned, managerial voice in the back of my head was saying, âKeep an eye on productivity, Bob.ââ
Can you believe that? He gets his employees something as a reward for working hard and immediately fears this will stop them from working hard. Luckily for Foxâs team, Fox kept an open mind and actually looked at the productivity numbers. âAfter six months, watching the numbers became a total waste of time,â Fox said, âWhy? Because what I found was refreshing, surprising, and very impressive: productivity actually increasedâand not by a little bitâby 10-15 percent.â
Two of our top programmers, Chris Duffy and Jeremy Wiggins, boost their productivity with foosball.
Make a Break For Better Breaks
How can that be? Hereâs a small content stub and an infographic on gamification that prove with science what common sense already tells us: Games like foosball help us take breaks in a way that stimulates our minds, gets our blood flowing (because sitting at our desks all day does the opposite),and pumps up our dopamine and testosterone levels. The result is we leave the break room wanting to extend our foosball table winning streak to our work problems, our conference rooms, and our negotiation tables. Games at work also boost employee teamwork both for people on the same level of the companyâs hierarchy and for people on different levels. Hereâs Bob Fox again:
âOur staff started including more competitive individuals whose enthusiasm seemed to translate from the foosball table to the conference room table. …The playing field, so to speak, was even during those competitions ⊠I was the boss, but couldnât play to save my life ⊠my employees loved that. …Business conversations would occur spontaneously over the foosball table. I realized that work was actually getting done while people were âdisconnectedâ from their desks. …But perhaps most importantly, I saw from a business standpoint that my team was building communication.â
Break Records at ABT
One of the things I like most about working at ABT is our management team is very much like Bob Fox. Unlike my old copywriting agency, we have a break room. (Two, actually: One on our third floor and an even bigger one on the first.) Unlike my old labor union, our break room is more than just a TV with daytime soaps on it: We have a foosball table on the third floor and an arcade, beer/liquor/wine bar, and ping-pong table on the first (Though we could stand to get some daytime soaps on the TVs, now that I think about it. Steffy and Hope arenât going to fight over the same guy without an audience.). And listen to this: Not only are we in charge of our own breaks, weâre allowed to take them. Our management team understands that what looks like goofing off is actually a way for us to get revved up for more work, or to keep working on something thatâs just not making itself happen at our desks, or to get closer to the folks weâre teamed up with on a big, tough project.
Our head of HR Jennifer Herndon plays foosball, and she wants you to do the same.
Let me give you examples from my own time at ABT (which, O talented folks here in Raleigh, is more than three years). Teamwork is the first thing Iâll cover. As an account executive, Iâm expected to motivate people to get work done on time under budget with smiles on their facesâbut I cannot command anyone to do anything because my role is not above those people. In this pursuit, building friendships and teamwork around the foosball table has been hugely helpful. I didnât play foosball, however, for the first year I worked here. I didnât even know how to play, but after watching the people I worked with having a lot of fun, I decided I wanted in.
I taught myself to play, then played with and against application architects, software architects, .NET programmers, PHP programmers, other account executives, project managers (and our director of project managers, whom I love to beat), IT team members, and front end developers. Thatâs a huge swathe of the company with whom I now have a deeper understanding, a better work tone, and a better sense of mutual respect. Iâm always tickled by this one front end developer because we kind of figured out spontaneously that we make a fantastic foosball team (as long as heâs on offense and Iâm on defense). Do I like the guy more now simply for that reason? Do we get along because weâre proud of the wins we shared against âthe other guys?â Is it much easier to get him to do work on time under budget with a smile on his face because weâve teamed up? The answer to those three questions is yes, one hundred percent.
Letâs treat âworking away from our desksâ second. Bob Fox is right about these spontaneous conversations. Weâll be halfway through a game when the software architect jumps straight into a conversation with his teammate, a front end developer, about the progress heâs made on a structural task that the front end developer needs done before he can do his own work. Iâve had that director of project managers (the one I love to beat) jump right into a conversation with me about what we should do to unstick a problem on one of the accounts we share, and itâs easier for us to be totally truthful about what should be done because neither of us are worrying about the fact that his role is well above mine in the company. Weâre just two guys trying to get the same thing done. Weâre on a team even though weâre playing foosball against one another. Iâve started conversations, too, like with our IT team. Weâll be playing, and Iâll say, âSo what happened with that site outage?â And for some reason, since weâre not at our desks or in the even more formal setting of a conference room, itâs much easier for the guy to say, âYeah, I forgot to flip this one switch before running the site update. I figured out what I did wrong, fixed it, and ran it again. It worked.â And I say, âHey, no problem, Iâll let the client know what happened and that weâre putting things in place to make sure it doesnât happen again.â It could have been a tense talk if I were at his desk, but because I brought it up at the foosball table, we skipped the awkward emotions and went straight to resolving the issue.
Edwin and Jorma build trust in our break room.
This brings me to one thing I donât see Fox talking about, and this may be because heâs at the top of his company and not a rank-and-file employee like me: Playing games like foosball can take the tension out of a strained workplace relationship. I donât have space to go into detail here, but letâs just say I used an intensely competitive game of foosball to help me get to a better place with a coworker who was less than thrilled with me from our very first moment. He may still be less than thrilled with me, but at least now I feel more able to handle our exchanges (my winning that tough match might have helped). Over time, the way I approach him has changed how he approaches me. Itâs a virtuous cycle put into place by a fun game, and that kind of virtuous cycle really happens thanks to our management team. ABTâs leadership knows that working through our relationship over a game of foosball isnât a waste of time. In fact, it may be the best use of our time, especially considering weâre hashing things out in a healthy way away from our desks.
Break Me, I Dare You
The table is ready. I’d love you to come challenge me.
So, are you one of those talented folks here in Raleigh that wants to work for a management team that gets it like Bob Fox does? Youâre welcome to challenge me to a game of foos right here at ABT, any time you want. Iâm just as happy to take you on in chess, ping-pong, or any of our arcade games. Shoot, Iâll thumb wrestle you if thatâs what you want. Once Iâm done breaking your back, Iâll build you back up with tales about the cool work we do and the fun things we do, like Culture Club events, Thirsty Thursdays, Pumpkin Chunkins, and more. Iâll even help you fill out an application to join us, especially if youâre an account executive. Why? Because I welcome the competition.
At ABT, learning is a vital part of our work. But beyond keeping tabs on the latest trends for our technical work, our team strives to open our minds to new ideas that fire our professional imagination. From novels to nonfiction, from thoughtful documentaries to binge-worthy TV, from smart podcasts to pulse-pounding rap, hereâs what the awesome people of ABT are reading, watching, and listening to:
READING:
Townsley Minton, Senior Account Executive â Big Little Lies by Liane Moriarty
This quick and easy read is essentially Chick Lit meets Who Done It. Readers are taken to a beautiful beach community in Australia where events culminate in a murder during a fancy fundraising night at the local school. Town gossip fuels the plotline, and I found at least one character to whom I could easily relate. Larger issues of bullying, domestic violence, and social perception are explored, giving the novel a bit more heft than the normal beach read. Iâd highly recommend this book if youâre looking for a piece of fiction that will distract from normal life.
Allan Maule, Senior Writer/Content Strategist â Thrill Me: Essays on Fiction by Benjamin Percy
As someone who spends a lot of his workday writing, I really love books about the craft of putting stories and words together. Thrill Me is this kind of book. Percy breaks down all kinds of techniques for building suspense in a story, defining a setting, and establishing characters. Besides being a fun read, this book is giving me some new ideas for how to plan and write content for ABT and our clients. After all, great content marketing is just large-scale storytelling.
Stewart Arthur Pelto, Account Executive â Realityland by David Koenig
This book follows the Walt Disney Company from Walt’s plane flights over undeveloped Florida wetlands to the construction of Disney’s Animal Kingdom (and maybe a little more, I’m nearing the end). Reading this is teaching me to champion smart production schedules and good, healthy language at work.
Jennifer Herndon, Chief People Officer â The Best Place to Workby Ron Friedman
In The Best Place to Work, Ron Friedman uses psychological research and data to determine what motivates us at work. Here are a few things Iâve learned: allowing failure can promote innovation, being respected by your peers feels better than a raise, and having autonomy at work is a basic psychological need that naturally motivates us. I highly recommend this book for managers, leaders, or emerging leaders. Friedman follows up each chapter with action items that will help create a work environment that allows people to do their best work.
WATCHING:
Jorma Pelto, Internal Support Engineer â Jiro Dreams of Sushi
I recently re-watched Jiro Dreams of Sushi, my all-time favorite documentary dealing with Jiro, a now 91-year-old 3-star michelin-rated chef and his son, Yoshikazu. If you enjoyed Chef’s Table on Netflix, the executive producer is the director of Jiro, which is a must-watch. The film follows Jiro’s career, as well as the preparation required each day to produce sushi on that level. I was struck by a quote from Jiro at the very beginning of the film about work ethic. He put into words how I feel about work and life in general, my need for constant improvement and dedication to see something through to the very end as thoroughly and as best as I can. It’s an ideal I hope will become more prevalent in today’s workforce:
“Once you decide on your occupation, you must immerse yourself in your work. You have to fall in love with your work. Never complain about your job. You must dedicate your life to mastering your skill. That’s the secret of success and is the key to being regarded honorably.”
Rachel McKay, Office Administrator â Grand Tour
As a dedicated Top Gear fan for the last 10 or so years, I was deeply depressed when it was announced that my favorite British trio would no longer be appearing on my regularly scheduled programming. Luckily, it seemed that Amazon Video felt the same way and decided to do something about that, cue, Grand Tour.
Grand Tour is the twin brother to Top Gear: full of country-wide car rides accompanied with odd tasks, facts about the hottest luxury cars, the test Ebola track (now done by âThe Americanâ instead of âThe Stigâ), and of course the constant insults and pranks from Jeremy Clarkson, James May, and Richard Hammond. The fun, new part about this version of Top Gear is that it changes locations each week, and thus you get to learn about that particular place’s âcar cultureâ, which is a neat little feature. In this show you will get great comedy, lots of car eye-candy, and even a couple of explosions. I would highly recommend it to just about anyone.
LISTENING TO:
Matt Deal, Senior Digital Strategist â Lore
One of the reasons I like the podcast Lore is the purposeful storytelling about the supernatural. Aaron Mahnke (the creator) has a cadence that draws you in and creates an experience and makes you feel things. That’s what I always hope to achieve with marketing. Not just hawking things, but creating experiences that make people think.
Eileen Allen, VP of Experience and Strategy â A Tribe Called Quest
Music can affect mood, creativity, and focus. To me, A Tribe Called Questâs latest album We got it from HereâŠThank you 4 Your service does all that and more. Itâs nostalgic, socially relevant, and dynamic in the variety of samples and instruments. From beginning to end, the album carries you as a great novel would. In the same way, at ABT we want the work we produce to carry users through an engaging and dynamic user experience from end to end. The album is timeless. As I approach 40, itâs encouraging to see “older” musicians proving once again they are masters of their craft, making fresh and vital art. I can listen to it on loop and continue to find nuance as I hope users find in our products.
Kendall King, Senior Digital Strategist â Metallica
Youâre damn right I’m listening to Metallica!  The biggest metal band to roam this earth, and one of the most influential bands in my life, is finally relevant again!  Their newest album, HardwiredâŠ.To Self Destruct, is a throwback to the style of hard-hitting, speed-riff metal they showed off in the albums Killâem All and Ride The Lightning. This album sounds like the Metallica many of us fans have craved for over 25 years (since 1991âs black albumâsome might argue since â86âs Master of Puppets).  Â
Behind every great marketing strategy or successful deployment, there is a vital relationship that doesnât get much pressâthe teamwork of the account executive and the project manager. To get an in-depth look at how this relationship works at Atlantic BT, Senior Writer/Content Strategist Allan Maule sat down with AE Townsley Minton and PM Andrea Osborn.
As a project manager or account exec, how would you describe what you do at your job? What are your usual goals?
Andrea (PM): Iâm responsible for overall delivery and execution of a project. AEs like Townsley do the project estimate and sell the work, and PMs like me set up the schedule, the deliverables, the workflow, and create the tasks in Mavenlink (our project planning software) using 2 week sprints. On a daily basis, Iâm checking the budget, the deliverables, and how well weâre doing at finishing things based on the schedule we created. I also look at how to adjust to ensure that our project gets finished at the level of quality and timing we agreed on.
Townsley (AE): As an AE, I own the relationship with the client. My #1 priority is that we hear their needs and are meeting them. I want to keep clients happy, but I also need to ensure my team at ABT is happy and able to do their job well. Clients can also come to me to vent about any issues they have with the project and with ABT.
Andrea (PM): That works the other way too. As a PM, if I feel stuck with the client, the AE is here to help. She works to ensure communication is clear and smooth throughout the process.
Townsley (AE): YES. Communication is a key part of what I do. That means managing expectations on the client end so they know what to expect and are happy with the work. It also means communicating with the PM so they can understand the clientâs fears, goals, deadlines, and other extenuating circumstances.
What are some of the most common hurdles or issues you run into at your job?
Townsley (AE): Itâs not always easy to get a client to see the big picture of everything we are trying to accomplish with their projects and all the possibilities of what technology can do for them. They might be hesitant about the first estimate we give them, so I help them understand how the money they spend with ABT will deliver value at each stage in the process.
Andrea (PM): The AEsâ understanding of the client and project set the tone for the entire project. So thereâs a lot riding on them getting everything the client wants and aligning it with the reality of what our team can accomplish. I donât see this problem often with our team at ABT, but hurdles happen when client expectations donât align with the reality of the project. When they expect something thatâs not what theyâre gettingâŠ
Townsley (AE): …or that we canât deliver in the timeline they require, itâs a major issue. And thatâs a challenge to communicate and handle. I donât worry about our AEs getting off-the-rails, but itâs important that we have our best communicators be the point people with the clients. Ultimately, miscommunication is the main hurdle an AE can face. We want to do as much as we can with the smallest budget possible, so how do you balance that to set your team up for success and make the client happy? A big part of the answer is recognizing personality conflicts and having a plan to deal with them before they become a problem.
What tensions do you see with personalities on the ABT end and on the client end?
Andrea (PM): Hereâs a classic one: The architect provides the estimate, then the developer who actually has to do the work protests that he/she needs more time. Again, this is typically caused by miscommunication. Either the architect didn’t realize the full effort or the developer is misunderstanding what’s required. As the PM, it’s my job to make sure this red flag is raised early so we can address immediately.
Townsley (AE): On the client-facing end, sometimes you have highly technical people try to explain things to clients who donât have the technical background to keep up with the explanation. This is frustrating to our techs (because they arenât being understood) and overwhelming to our clients. My favorite solution is to work with my PM to translate technical needs with non technical people.
Andrea (PM): In turn, I usually ask my technical colleagues to show me what theyâre talking about rather than just relying on words. People are different, so they explain themselves in different ways.
Townsley (AE): In the same way, no two clients are identical. So itâs really important to approach each client with a fresh slate, listening actively to their ideas and concerns to get a good look at what they need. This is also why itâs great to keep the same clients over the long term so you donât have to start from scratch each time.
3) How do you work together with project managers/account execs to handle these tensions?
Townsley (AE): I try to work with PMs to understand clientâs personalities, such as âThey donât like this wording, they prefer this form of communication and not that form,â etc. I step in when there are delays, budget issues, etc. so the PM doesnât feel like theyâre alone in delivering hard news about the projectâs progress. So my relationship with the client is key.
Andrea (PM): When dealing with tensions on a project, my relationship with the AE is vital. We canât survive without each other. And Townsleyâs a great communicator. One client of ours has multiple contacts in their organization whom I work with, and having Townsley to help me work with these contactsâ boss is invaluable.
Townsley (AE): Weâre each otherâs cheerleader. When I have a difficult call with a client, I can go directly to Andrea and get her encouragement when Iâm heading into a tough situation. When I was on maternity leave, I had other AEs to handle client relationships but the PMs were crucial to helping my substitute AE handle these clients effectively. I never would have been able to have the smooth transition to and from maternity leave without the help of my PM.
What advice would you offer PMs or AEs to help them get the AE/PM relationship right?
Andrea (PM): Make sure you HAVE a relationship with them beyond just work. If youâre invested in them as a whole person, youâll actually care about their success and be able to work with them well.
Townsley (AE): Youâve got to be a team player. If youâre here to make yourself look good, you are going to end up hurting yourself. Bond, dammit! Youâve got to actually care if you want the other person to care about you. That provides a level of trust that makes your job work.
What advice would you offer companies like ABT to help them get the AE/PM relationship right on a structural level?
Townsley (AE): Organizationally, companies want to firmly define roles. But you have to understand that each team will want to manage their projects differently. So youâve gotta leave room for the gray areas.
Andrea (PM): Donât let your PMs and AEs work in silos. Make sure thereâs crossover. An example: If the AE doesnât work with the PM on estimates, youâll run into trouble if the client needs extra feedback or more rounds to define something. The PM or AEâs knowledge of the client is crucial.
Townsley (AE): The AE doesnât just sell it and be done. I keep in touch the whole time to celebrate wins with the team and the client as they happen. I want to help the client happy, so I keep my finger on the pulse of the project. This doesnât mean I project manage the project by directing the production team or making choices on how the deliverable should go; it means I stay in touch and make sure the client is being well-represented and find any red flags early so we can communicate about them as soon as possible. Even if itâs just listening, I can hear what the client is reacting to and be ready for it.
Andrea (PM): I wouldnât want to do what Townsley does. That professional respect for roles and gratitude for what she does helps us work better together by knowing who is going to handle what.
Townsley (AE): We can sub in for each other on individual tasks, but Iâd never want to handle her day-to-day over the long term. We can hold each other accountable in a constructive way.